FCI Jesup

copboy · 02-26-2008, 12:07 PM

How is the morale at FCI Jesup? How is the relationship between management and line staff? If negative can you give specifics?

Crosstimbers Okie · 02-26-2008, 12:09 PM

What, is it getting too cold in NY? Time for a little Snowbird action?

copboy · 02-26-2008, 12:24 PM

Too cold, and too much drama. As you have noticed from posts I have submitted, I can be stubborn, and hard headed, but you have to agree that when it comes down to the basics, I try to do the right thing. It seems up here that when I try do do that, the union comes after me. Yes, the same people I try to help, and do the right thing by, as soon as I say no, they come after me and use the "That decision must be personal." If I have to deny leave they assume that I have a vendetta or "mission". The things I have heard the union, (not all), is so hard to believe, that I should sit back and laugh. I do not because it is my reputation on the line. It is my integrity on the line. I don't laugh at that. I try not to let it get to me because if I do, I become what some paint me to be. Perfect example. 1 officer waited until 2 days before his birthday to ask for the day off. When I said no, the officer claimed it was personal, and this is an officer with less than a year on the job. Did he just remember when his birthday was. Did he not understand I need more than a couple of days notice to approve this? Or should I just say, OK approved, pay OT and get chewed out? The same officer came to me 1 day before his miltary leave date, and told me he needed those dates for training. Obviously I approved it because it was military. When I told him I needed more time in the future, and told him I needed his orders for the year, I got the same claim against me. "This must be personal." But, I got the orders, like everyone else had submitted. Sometimes a no is not personal. If I made decisions based on personal issues, I would make decisions I could not defend or justify with a straight face. Even if I could it would be wrong. I would like to go to an institution where the union pick their battles. When they file a claim, it is based on facts. When a LT is trying to do the right thing, they don't stab them in the back because they didn't get their way . I know those institutions are out there. I know all locals are not bad. I respect those that also do the right thing. I cannot respect the staff that throw out 100 bogus complaints hoping 1 will stick.

Craven Moorehead · 02-26-2008, 01:42 PM

Hey Copboy, we need a good Lou here at M-Town. Come on. I know you want to work at a place where race is brought into EVERY issue. Here it's not "this is personal" It's "This is racial" Or more accurately...."Dis some rassist-ass ****! I'ma file on yo ass"

Crosstimbers Okie · 02-26-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by copboy

Too cold, and too much drama. As you have noticed from posts I have submitted, I can be stubborn, and hard headed, but you have to agree that when it comes down to the basics, I try to do the right thing. It seems up here that when I try do do that, the union comes after me. Yes, the same people I try to help, and do the right thing by, as soon as I say no, they come after me and use the "That decision must be personal." If I have to deny leave they assume that I have a vendetta or "mission". The things I have heard the union, (not all), is so hard to believe, that I should sit back and laugh. I do not because it is my reputation on the line. It is my integrity on the line. I don't laugh at that. I try not to let it get to me because if I do, I become what some paint me to be. Perfect example. 1 officer waited until 2 days before his birthday to ask for the day off. When I said no, the officer claimed it was personal, and this is an officer with less than a year on the job. Did he just remember when his birthday was. Did he not understand I need more than a couple of days notice to approve this? Or should I just say, OK approved, pay OT and get chewed out? The same officer came to me 1 day before his miltary leave date, and told me he needed those dates for training. Obviously I approved it because it was military. When I told him I needed more time in the future, and told him I needed his orders for the year, I got the same claim against me. "This must be personal." But, I got the orders, like everyone else had submitted. Sometimes a no is not personal. If I made decisions based on personal issues, I would make decisions I could not defend or justify with a straight face. Even if I could it would be wrong. I would like to go to an institution where the union pick their battles. When they file a claim, it is based on facts. When a LT is trying to do the right thing, they don't stab them in the back because they didn't get their way . I know those institutions are out there. I know all locals are not bad. I respect those that also do the right thing. I cannot respect the staff that throw out 100 bogus complaints hoping 1 will stick.

The admin. Lt. position is a tough one everywhere.

You say they are coming after you? How? With a grievance, or just a gripe? If it's just a gripe, that's Human Beings for you. If it's a grievance, what's the problem as long as you can justify it?

You do realize that the master Agreement requires you to approve or deny unscheduled leave requests within 24 hours? That's something that the BOP and the union agreed to. Now, if that's unworkable under present conditions, there is a new Master Agreement being negotiated. Now is the time to negotiate a workable arrangement.

Movementarian · 02-26-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by copboy

Too cold, and too much drama. As you have noticed from posts I have submitted, I can be stubborn, and hard headed, but you have to agree that when it comes down to the basics, I try to do the right thing. It seems up here that when I try do do that, the union comes after me. Yes, the same people I try to help, and do the right thing by, as soon as I say no, they come after me and use the "That decision must be personal." If I have to deny leave they assume that I have a vendetta or "mission". The things I have heard the union, (not all), is so hard to believe, that I should sit back and laugh. I do not because it is my reputation on the line. It is my integrity on the line. I don't laugh at that. I try not to let it get to me because if I do, I become what some paint me to be. Perfect example. 1 officer waited until 2 days before his birthday to ask for the day off. When I said no, the officer claimed it was personal, and this is an officer with less than a year on the job. Did he just remember when his birthday was. Did he not understand I need more than a couple of days notice to approve this? Or should I just say, OK approved, pay OT and get chewed out? The same officer came to me 1 day before his miltary leave date, and told me he needed those dates for training. Obviously I approved it because it was military. When I told him I needed more time in the future, and told him I needed his orders for the year, I got the same claim against me. "This must be personal." But, I got the orders, like everyone else had submitted. Sometimes a no is not personal. If I made decisions based on personal issues, I would make decisions I could not defend or justify with a straight face. Even if I could it would be wrong. I would like to go to an institution where the union pick their battles. When they file a claim, it is based on facts. When a LT is trying to do the right thing, they don't stab them in the back because they didn't get their way . I know those institutions are out there. I know all locals are not bad. I respect those that also do the right thing. I cannot respect the staff that throw out 100 bogus complaints hoping 1 will stick.

You'd still be cold, but Milan has a good group of Lieutenants and I haven't heard of anyone filing a grievance for stupid crap. I am pretty sure they are short a few...

copboy · 02-26-2008, 03:15 PM

So far all I have heard is gripes based on rumors. That's what bothers me. Spend the energy on things that actually happened for valid reasons. I approve or deny leave as soon as I get the leave slip. Needing more time was referring to the sick and annual staff. If I get the form a week in advance, the officer will stand a better chance of getting approved. I can assign a sick and annual officer to that shift so they can cover that post for that day. If I get the slip 2 days in advance, I cannot tell an officer "I know I put you on evening watch this week, but I need you to cover day watch in 2 days."

shakedownshorti · 02-26-2008, 10:13 PM

Victorville has some good Administration, everyone seem to get along pretty good! You sound like a good Lt., FCI EL Reno is always in need of those!

copboy · 02-26-2008, 10:41 PM

I am waiting to see which institution I get picked up for. I have been vouched for a few. Tucson, Lompoc, Jesup and a couple others. Hopefully I will hear something this week.

KBCraig · 02-26-2008, 11:26 PM

Bring your butt to Texarkana. Our brand-new administration all came up through Custody (except for AW-I&E, but she really doesn't count), and they're looking for people who are solid in the basics. (Basics: 1) Clear the count; 2) Everyone go home safe at EOW. Funny how many people think other things are more important.)

We just sent two 11 lieutenants to Victorville, so we have openings. Nobody wants to be SIS; how about you?