USP-Atwater : Community Leaders threatened with arrest

[LVN63OIC]

Originally Posted by Insidethestorm

When you see a fuse burning that executive staff lit, its best to just sit back and laugh when the bomb goes off... The only problem with this is that the executives are gonna take it out on staff at ATW... sorry brothers, just hang in there.

You must be thinking about all the corrupt staff that are allowed to continue to work in our instutions, due to a technicality. So when is the last time you saw the actual staff member involved moved? Most of the time it is those you poke fun at. Why don't you apply for a promotion and make a difference, since you have all the answers?

[ALOCK]

Originally Posted by LVN63OIC

It's to bad the real story wasn't released, these guys weren't part of the Community Board, as this wasn't a public forum. Also to note the FACT that all of the negative blogs are now going to part of the defense for the two inmates. These blogs will probably get the inmates out of the death penalty and maybe even convicted of murder. When will everyone learn that we need to keep our line of silence, in cases of inmates assulating staff. Our own actions have gotte inmates off of the maximum penalties, by establishing how dangerous prisons are for both staff and inmates. The defense attorney's use that type of information to aide in the inmates defense.

Totally disagree with you. By keeping our silence we are doing what the BOP or at least the exec staff at USP-Atwater wants. That is us to be silent about a problem. I do not think the BOPs problem will make these murders look any better. An attorney will use anything as a defense but the fact that the prisons are understaffed did not put the shank in those inmates hands. That is just silly. Also, if the community is angry by the death of an officer and gets noted for their protest then I applaude them. We should have more community members concerned by our well being only a administrator at that facility would think otherwise. I would not put it beyond a person to come on these sites to their own defense. Pretty sad and desperate.

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Originally Posted by LVN63OIC

Also to note the FACT that all of the negative blogs are now going to part of the defense for the two inmates. These blogs will probably get the inmates out of the death penalty and maybe even convicted of murder. When will everyone learn that we need to keep our line of silence, in cases of inmates assulating staff. Our own actions have gotte inmates off of the maximum penalties, by establishing how dangerous prisons are for both staff and inmates. The defense attorney's use that type of information to aide in the inmates defense.

Go back to law school, and this time finish the program.

If defense attorneys are allowed to use such information in court, it will be through the court's power to subpoena information and compel testimony, not through a bunch of anonymous chatter on the Internet. And not talking about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If it exists, any attorney worth his fee will root it out.

That closet will only hold so many skeletons. And just because they are stuffed in a closet doesn't mean that they are gone.

[BOPCO87]

Originally Posted by LVN63OIC

These blogs will probably get the inmates out of the death penalty and maybe even convicted of murder. When will everyone learn that we need to keep our line of silence, in cases of inmates assulating staff. Our own actions have gotte inmates off of the maximum penalties, by establishing how dangerous prisons are for both staff and inmates. The defense attorney's use that type of information to aide in the inmates defense.

So all this gives an inmate the right to take one of our lives? And us speaking out lets them get away with it? You are right. Justice probally won't be served. But not for your reasoning. How long has it been since the POS took S.O.S. Scott Williams life. We are still waiting on justice for that one too. I am sure they will plead not guilty by reason of insanity, and milk the system untill they die of natural causes. You cannot honestly say you think speaking out is wrong. Maybe what is wrong is that its been quiet for too long.

[ProudMom]

Originally Posted by LVN63OIC

It's to bad the real story wasn't released, these guys weren't part of the Community Board, as this wasn't a public forum.

1. Fact #1: The two community members were not part of the Community Board.

2. Fact #2: The two community members had an RSVP accepted by the Administrative Staff to the Warden, prior to the RSVP deadline.

3. "as this wasn't a public forum" I guess it depends on the definition of "not a public forum", ...

Fact #3: The meeting itself was not closed to the public, because several members of the public showed up for the meeting. They did not RSVP, they heard on the Monday prior that the meeting was going to be held, and they just "showed up". They were allowed to attend, ask questions, and participated in the meeting. In fact, the Atwater staff didn’t even question their presence. These people were not Community Board members either.
Afterwards, they all had lunch.

( Um ... last time I checked, that doesn't constitute a closed meeting).

4. Fact #4: For whatever reason(s), the Warden just didn't want these two community members at the meeting.

Fact#5: It's as simple as that. It was what it was, it is what it is, and the spin that you're trying to put on it … is just making me dizzy.

['Tude]

LVN63OIC
Looks like we have an BOP Admin troll here.

[LTABM]

Got to agree, LVN63OIC is talking out the side of his mouth. The fact remains that a rookie officer was targeted to be killed by these two a$$holes, the unit was under staffed and the Bureau has not done its part to protect line staff.

Think of the outcry that would have occured is a member of the exec staff would have been murdered in this fashion. LVN63OIC where is your head???

[ALOCK]

LVN63OIC: We have a saying "Fox in the henhouse". Yep like I said sad and desperate. If this is what some admin are resorting to then sites like this are working. I hope more sites realize this cheesy tactic because it is plain disrespectful.

[bhead]

We kept our mouths shut after Scott and for what? Do you know how many of us were attacked after Scott by the same type of inmate? What does keeping our mouths shut do for us?

[bop_steward]

Here are some more facts:
1. LVN63OIC is not verified.
2. LVN63OIC has no grasp of the legal system
3. LVN63OIC has no grasp of the Rules of Evidence
4. LVN63OIC has no grasp of the Rules of Hearsay