SDA And Parking Lots

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Well, it seems that DOC has altered a couple of policies dealing with this issue. Now there is no excuse for local prison administrators to ignore the law and DOC policy by failing to provide secure weapons storage for persons licensed under the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act.

Here is what the policy used to say:

ADDENDUM-OP-110214-01 dated 02/16/96

D. Weapon Possession


Signs will be posted at each entrance into all probation and parole district and sub-offices and administrative offices stating, "You are now entering a state office. It is unlawful for any person having a valid concealed handgun licensed issued pursuant to the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act to carry any concealed weapon unto these premises. Any violation is a misdemeanor punishable by fine, jail, or both and will subject the violator to having the concealed handgun license permanently revoked. IAW 21 O.S. 1277"



All facilities will develop local procedures for collecting and securing all handguns carried by employees or visitors. Facilities will post signs, which inform employees and visitors that any firearm carried pursuant to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act must be immediately declared and secured. Signs should additionally contain a directive for employees and visitors to follow, which implements the local procedure for declaring and securing firearms.


Unauthorized possession, display, or use of a weapon by commissioned employees inconsistent with departmental procedures will be construed as a threat or act of violence and will be responded to in accordance with this procedure. Pending resolution of any investigation and evaluation due to conduct prohibited by this procedure, commissioned officers will have their commissions withdrawn.

The issue is now dealt with in two policies. Here is what they say:

http://www.doc.state.ok.us/Offtech/op110214.pdf

All facilities will develop local procedures for collecting and securing all handguns carried by employees or visitors as outlined in OP-040106 entitled “Purchase, Use and Control of Firearms and Security Equipment”. Facilities will post signs, which inform employees and visitors that any firearm carried pursuant to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act must be immediately declared and secured. Signs should additionally contain a directive for employees and visitors to follow, which implements the local procedure for declaring and securing firearms.

http://www.doc.state.ok.us/Offtech/op040106.pdf Whoever wrote this one is still a bit confused. Instead if saying "in order to prevent persons from carrying onto state property," they should have said, "in order to prevent persons from carrying into state buildings."

All Department of Corrections facilities/districts, sub-offices, administrative offices, and buildings will ensure that appropriate signs are posted and local procedures will be developed in accordance with OP-110214 entitled “Workplace Violence” in order to prevent persons from carrying onto state property any handguns that are licensed pursuant to the Oklahoma Self Defense Act.

B. Storage of Firearms and Ammunition (4-4173)

When not in use, firearms and ammunition, at a minimum, will be secured in a locked container located within a locked vehicle or within the interior of the structure or an interior room/closet located outside of inmate housing units and activity areas. (4-4204, b #3) The storage container will be constructed totally of metal in order to be of sufficient strength to serve as a substantial barrier to unauthorized entry. If stored in a vehicle, the storage container will be secured in the vehicle by a lockable chain or cable.

[Cory]

None at OSP.

There are 4 boxes at Tower One for the checking of firearms. To my knowledge, (and I asked around), they have NEVER once been used to store an SDA weapon from a visitor or employee.

I am guessing we would catch some crap for bringing our CCW Weapon to work with us and trying to check it.

Funny thing is, the sign posted at the south gate says to check your weapon at the East Tower, which is not correct.

Sucks really.

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Well, right there is the policy of the Oklahoma Department of Corrections on how the Department says that handguns carried under the authority of the SDA should be stored while on prison grounds. The law authorizes it. DOC has a policy for it. Local Yokels don't want to be bothered with it. What do you do?

I think Dawg has a certain lieutenant at his place who will try anything. Hell, he's gotten away with almost everything. He could force this issue and be on the right side of law & policy for a change. It's just a matter of Dawg juicing him into taking action.

[Cory]

Once of probation, I would probably try to check it at least once just to see what happens.

Lol!

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Okies! Have the powers that be at your institutions told you about the policy changes I discuss in the first, edited post??

Got the hug-a-thugs on the run now!!

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Well Okies, any word about this?

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Dawg? What's the latest on this? Is Mike working on getting this enforced at your place?

[schorched]

I have been wondering about this myself as someone in the process of being hired in at Mack Alford. I have my carry license and typically always keep a .45 in my truck. I've pretty much accepted the fact that I just won't carry at all when going to work until I can get some clarification about what I can and can't do concerning the subject. For what it's worth I'll let you know what the deal is at Mack Alford when I get in there and find out what the word on the matter is. I'm hoping for the best but by all means won't be pushing anything as an FNG lol!

[Crosstimbers Okie]

What's there to clarify? State law says what it says and DOC policy says what it says.

Both say that SDA permit holders may store firearms in their vehicles while they are parked in prison parking lots.

Specifically:

Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation - Concealed Weapons Licensing

TITLE 21 § 1277. Unlawful carry in certain places
UNLAWFUL CARRY IN CERTAIN PLACES
A. It shall be unlawful for any person in possession of a valid concealed
handgun license issued pursuant to the provisions of the Oklahoma
Self-Defense Act to carry any concealed handgun into any of the
following places:
1. Any structure, building, or office space which is owned or leased
by a city, town, county, state, or federal governmental authority for
the purpose of conducting business with the public;
2. Any meeting of any city, town, county, state or federal officials,
school board members, legislative members, or any other elected
or appointed officials;
3. Any prison, jail, detention facility or any facility used to process,
hold, or house arrested persons, prisoners or persons alleged
delinquent or adjudicated delinquent;
4. Any elementary or secondary school, or technology center school
property;
5. Any sports arena during a professional sporting event;
6. Any place where pari-mutuel wagering is authorized by law; and
7. Any other place specifically prohibited by law.
B. For purposes of paragraphs 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 of subsection A of this
section, the prohibited place does not include and specifically excludes
the following property:
1. Any property set aside for the use of any vehicle, whether attended
or unattended, by a city, town, county, state, or federal
governmental authority,
2. Any property set aside for the use of any vehicle, whether attended
or unattended, by any entity offering any professional sporting
event which is open to the public for admission, or by any entity
engaged in pari-mutuel wagering authorized by law,