Food for thought!

[drainbamaged]

>
> I DO HAVE TO PASS A URINE TEST FOR MY JOB.....
> BUT I AGREE 100%
> Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I
> work, they pay me. I pay
> my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as
> it sees fit.
> In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass
> a random urine test
> with which I have no problem.
> What I Do have a problem with is the distribution
> of my taxes to people who
> Don't have to pass a urine test.
> Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a
> welfare check because I
> have to pass one to earn it for them?
> Please understand,
> I have no problem with helping people get back on
> their feet.
> I Do, on the other hand, have a problem with
> helping someone sitting on
> their ASS, doing drugs, while I work.
> Can you imagine how much money the state would save
> if people had to pass a
> urine test to get a public assistance check ?
> Pass this along if you agree or simply delete if
> you don't.
> Hope you all will pass it along, though .
> something has to change in this country -- and
> soon!

[Movementarian]

That would be excellent. I think that welfare recipients should have to work for the money that is given to them doing public service projects.

[Thorn]

And who's going to pay for those urine tests? The hard working average person is and it doesn't do any good. If the welfare person fails the test then they'll get no welfare money so they will resort to crime to make money. Most likely they'll go rob a federal insured bank or deal in drugs just to be able to come to the BOP as an inmate where they will be pampered and make more money than most rookie officers, which in turn costs the American tax payer even more money. There is just no way to beat it.

[ATW-Hack]

I still think the UA is a hell of a good idea!!

[drainbamaged]

Originally Posted by Thorn

And who's going to pay for those urine tests? The hard working average person is and it doesn't do any good. If the welfare person fails the test then they'll get no welfare money so they will resort to crime to make money. Most likely they'll go rob a federal insured bank or deal in drugs just to be able to come to the BOP as an inmate where they will be pampered and make more money than most rookie officers, which in turn costs the American tax payer even more money. There is just no way to beat it.

How about we deduct the expense of the urine test from their monthly check OR from their food stamp allocation which is usually sold underground for pennies on the dollar. I'm not saying this is the answer Thorn.......I just found this theory somewhat interesting. As far as your predicition regarding benefit denial resulting in crime, I'd have to see the stats on that. If most who are turned down for benefits resorted to crime, we'd have to build hundreds of new joints (county, state and federal) every year just to keep up with the population explosion. What institution pays the inmates better than a rookie officer? Just curious!!!

[Movementarian]

I think Thorn was referring to the high cost some institutions pay to house an inmate yearly. There was a thread about Washington State DOC that said one instituion pays $76k a year to house an inmate.

I have read that is costs around $40k to house a healthy Federal inmate per year, which is more than I make as a GL-5/1 with locality pay.

[GUNNER]

Originally Posted by ATW-Hack

I still think the UA is a hell of a good idea!!

Im with you on this one. I have said for a long time that we need to do something like this. Im getting tired of seeing people on welfare living better then my family, my fellow officers, and myself. Its complete BS.

[usplvnhack]

The system is so screwed up that I feel it will never be fixed. People like that believe that the goverment owes then something. Lets look at Health Care. As an EMT I have seen people call 911 not because of an emergency but simply because they have no insurance and use the EMS system as a means to go the ER and get looked at and it is us the hard working tax payers that get to foot the bill. The hospitals and the ambulance services have to make the money up some place. So every year we pay higher and higher premiums for our health care. if a person is on welfare and won't work even if they had to take a piss test to get there money and they were hot we will still end up paying for them one way or another.

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by Movementarian

I think Thorn was referring to the high cost some institutions pay to house an inmate yearly. There was a thread about Washington State DOC that said one instituion pays $76k a year to house an inmate.

I have read that is costs around $40k to house a healthy Federal inmate per year, which is more than I make as a GL-5/1 with locality pay.

Yes, inmates cost US taxpayers more to live than what we get paid. Plus, some make way more money if you look at how much some UNICOR workers make per month. Some make a $1000 a month at my facility. All that is straight up cash money for them. Then you have to figure in the cost to the US taxpayers to feed these fuks, bath them, shelter them, A/C, Power, Cable TV, Medications, Dental, etc etc. and you will see that some inmates make as much money as an GS-10 LT. with over 10 years in the BOP.

The GS-10 LT. has to take a large part of his/her paycheck and pay for his/her own food, water, power, Cable, Medication, Dental, etc etc., plus provide all those same things for their dependants. In the end, the inmate making $1000 a month and has free living is able to make more profit for themselves in the end.

Welfare is bad in a lot of ways, but if you take it all away then there will surely be a lot more crime, a lot more people dealing in drugs, and a lot more people flooding an already overcrowed prison system that costs the US taxpayer even more money.

I have inmates tell me how great prison is and that their life before prison was sh!t and that they never want to leave. The day they get out they've vowed that they will purposely go commit another federal crime just to be able to come back again. The BOP is nothing more than really expensive welfare for criminals.

My question to the BOP is this...If prison "time" is suppose to be the punishment for the inmate, then how is it a "punishment" when that "time" is what they want?

The BOP basically rewards these guys for committing crimes. It's insane and it's exactly the reason why the prison system is overcrowded. People just don't fear prison time anymore. It's like the lottery for bad guys in way. They look at their odds of robbing a bank and getting away with it and then look at the consequences if they get caught. Yet the consequences are like a soft slap on the wrist compared the the crime they commit so it's a win-win deal for them either way.

In the early 1900s, prison was really prison. Nowadays, prison is nothing more than a nursing home for felons. Society has allowed prison to get soft and all of this softness stems back to the manipulation the inmates use on people to get what they want. Basically, the inmates have defeated us and now it would be damn near impossible to take back what we've already given them, which is way too much IMO!

[GUNNER]

Originally Posted by Thorn

In the early 1900s, prison was really prison. Nowadays, prison is nothing more than a nursing home for felons. Society has allowed prison to get soft and all of this softness stems back to the manipulation the inmates use on people to get what they want. Basically, the inmates have defeated us and now it would be damn near impossible to take back what we've already given them, which is way too much IMO!

Amen, Brother Thorn, what you said.