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Old 07-04-2008, 06:56 AM   #1
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McClatchy Washington Bureau | 07/02/2008 | U.S. prison officials considering safety vests, union says

U.S. prison officials considering safety vests, union says

By Michael Doyle | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — Bureau of Prisons officials are now considering equipping federal guards with safety vests following the murder of Atwater correctional officer Jose Rivera, union leaders revealed Wednesday.

In what one participant termed a "heated" meeting, Bureau of Prisons Director Harley G. Lappin indicated knife-resistant vests could be a viable option for at least some of the nation's 16,000 or so federal prison guards. Some think a vest might have saved Rivera, who died June 20 after being stabbed through the heart with a prison-made shank.

"This is something that I think is pretty hard to argue with," said John Gage, president of the American Federation of Government Employees. "I think it's pretty much a no-brainer."

No final decision, however, has yet been made on obtaining the vests, at a cost of roughly $400 each. And in other areas ranging from staffing levels to the use of non-lethal weapons, Rivera's violent death has only underscored sharp differences still separating the Bureau of Prisons, members of Congress and the union that represents federal correctional workers.

The 22-year-old Rivera was the first federal correctional officer to be murdered since 1997. Assaults, however, remain relatively common. A total of 1,362 armed and unarmed inmate-on-staff attacks were tallied in federal prisons in Fiscal 2006, Justice Department figures released by the union show. This marked a 6 percent increase in assaults from 2005.

Atwater's high-security penitentiary led the nation in armed assaults by inmates on staff members in 2006, with 10 such attacks, according to the Justice Department records. The union obtained the prison violence records from the department's Web site, which apparently no longer posts them.

"Every minute that goes by, the staff is in danger from the inmates," said Bryan Lowery, legislative coordinator for the AFGE's Council of Prison Locals.

Two inmates reported to be suspects in Rivera's murder, James Leon Guerrero and Joseph Cabrera, have been transferred and remain under investigation.

Bureau of Prisons spokesman Mike Truman said no agency official was available to comment late Wednesday afternoon about the meeting with union leaders. Bureau officials stressed their concern to union leaders Wednesday that nothing be said that might interfere with the investigation.

Union leaders want an additional 10,000 federal correctional officers hired, starting with about 280 to boost staffing immediately at high-security facilities. They want officers who now carry only a radio to be armed with batons or Tasers or other non-lethal weapons. They want, politically speaking, Rivera's murder to serve a purpose.

"We're hoping this event will really push the public, and the Congress, and the pencil pushers," said Phil Glover, legislative liaison for the Council of Prison Locals.

Glover, Gage and Lowery met with Lappin to present what Gage termed the union's "demands." It's a wide-ranging list that predates Rivera's death; in February, for instance, correctional officers picketed Justice Department headquarters to call attention to their grievances. Some of the union's renewed demands, like opposition to prison privatization, appear unrelated to the specifics of Rivera's death.

In some ways, the meeting Wednesday may have only confirmed pre-existing tensions. Lowery announced he was "highly offended" by the Bureau of Prisons' responses, while Gage used a mocking tone to say the Bureau was "poor-mouthing us" on the budget questions.

The agency, part of the Justice Department, has an annual budget of about $5.1 billion and employs about 34,000 staffers overall, not all of whom are correctional officers.

A recently passed supplemental spending bill includes an additional $178 million for the Bureau of Prisons. Rep. Dennis Cardoza, D-Merced, is preparing a letter urging the Bureau to spend at least some of the money on safety vests.

"We've heard from the Bureau that they will review the (vest) policy," Cardoza's press secretary Jamie McInerney said Wednesday.

McInerney added that Cardoza's staffers are brainstorming other ideas, potentially including addressing the pay disparity that shortchanges federal guards compared to their California correctional counterparts.

Nationwide, the Bureau of Prisons holds about 165,000 inmates in its facilities and another 35,000 in contract or privately run prisons. The agency reports that it's been hard to keep staffing up, citing budget problems and the loss of guards to reserve military duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Old 07-04-2008, 07:25 AM   #2
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iT'S ABOUT TIME THE BOP IS STEPPING UP!! YES THE OFFICERS IN THE BOP ARE UNDERPAID AND NEED SOME PROTECTION IN THE CELL BLOCKS. WE ALSO NEED A BIGGER PAY RAISE TO KEEP OFFICERS FROM LEAVING TOI OTHER JOBS.
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Old 07-04-2008, 09:25 AM   #3
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I still say that a vest is ok but perhaps Capstun or a tazer would be more usefull or a baton....
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Old 07-04-2008, 09:56 AM   #4
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A better defensive tactics system would go miles as well. They have a version of PPCT geared towards the correctional enviroment.
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Correctional Officers are the police inside their institution. Thus, they should be armed like they are the friggin' po-po! I'll concede on the firearms (even though North Carolina institutions use to have firearms INSIDE the prison until the 1970s) Armor, Sam Browne belts, baton (i prefer the PR-24, but a collapsible will work) or cattle prod, TASER, OC/CS/Mace, & a decent no-nonsense mixed martial arts program with an administration that allows for exercise while on site & on shift like some county facilities have! (Heck, maybe during those non existent breaks!)

And why not a pepperball sidearm?
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The 22-year-old Rivera was the first federal correctional officer to be murdered since 1997. Assaults, however, remain relatively common. A total of 1,362 armed and unarmed inmate-on-staff attacks were tallied in federal prisons in Fiscal 2006, Justice Department figures released by the union show. This marked a 6 percent increase in assaults from 2005.

WOW, That appears to be such a large number of assaults on staff. My guess is that when you crunch the numbers it all adds up. I would like to know where the "Stats" are and if they break down to individual States.
Even though we've had staff injured from engaging inmate on inmate assaults, we've had very few inmate on staff assaults. Not to say something has us on alert due to a kite that was received.

Maybe someone will wake up and get BOP protected with some body armer. With any luck it will trickle down to the State Level.
My concern with having batons, OC, or Tasers is the ability of populated inmate areas. They have the opportunity of jumping staff and taking it away from them. Don't mean to tic anyone off, but where I work we are out numbered.
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most places we are out numbered... but as for me the only way anyone is getting off my belt is if they kill me cause i wont stop fighting... thats just me...
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Of course it can be taken away. As a trooper, or any other law enforcement officer they can have their firearm, spray or baton taken too. It is a risk, but one worth taken more times then not. I am all for the spray. If we go batons I would prefer we use the PR-24 because you do have the extra control measure in the short handle. I am a Monadnock certified instructor with the PR and the ASP. When I was on the street I carried the PR as personal preference just for the extra control. However, whether it be a vest, spray, baton, or hopefully additional staffing if we get anything it will be a step in the right direction. I know I am dreaming big, but I am game for anything right now.
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Of course it can be taken away. As a trooper, or any other law enforcement officer they can have their firearm, spray or baton taken too. It is a risk, but one worth taken more times then not. I am all for the spray. If we go batons I would prefer we use the PR-24 because you do have the extra control measure in the short handle. I am a Monadnock certified instructor with the PR and the ASP. When I was on the street I carried the PR as personal preference just for the extra control. However, whether it be a vest, spray, baton, or hopefully additional staffing if we get anything it will be a step in the right direction. I know I am dreaming big, but I am game for anything right now.

Don't they have any device out there that will prevent a weapon from being taken or turned on the owner? I thought there was a special pistol made at one time that had a sensor that locked the weapon up if it detected that it was turned on the owner... Maybe I was dreaming?
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You are thinking of Judge Dread..... good flick LOL HAHAHAH
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