Flashlights and Liability

[GUNNER]

Originally Posted by Von Nanega

Lompoc had a captain once who tried to write up officers who bought their own stab vests. I feel bad times comin' along. Keep your chin up and your back guarded.

We are not allowed to use stab vests here. It is a diciplinary action if we do.

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Originally Posted by KBCraig

I don't know about the current version, but some years back the "538" form (report of use of force) had checkboxes for type of force used:
-Firearm
-Baton
-Maglite

No kidding, they had it listed by brand name.

While I disagree with the downscaled self defense training (compared to the full-on Aikido training we used to do), they did do one thing right: official BOP policy for use of force is that you can use anything you can lay your hands on to defend yourself.

"Step back and cross-grab"... a mop wringer. Fire extinguisher. Telephone. Computer monitor. Do what you got to do.

Oh, it's still on the 583. Page three I think, last option.

[koepdaddy]

You mean falling down with a loud KIA!!! and crab walking backwards as some A@! wipe tries to kill you doesn't work? Crack'em with a flashlight and any other thing that is available. I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six any day of the week.

[KBCraig]

Here's the new flashlight I want:

YouTube - Magpul Industries SHOTSHOW 2008 Part 2

[aznative]

Originally Posted by AZCorrections84

I don't work for the BOP but the State of Arizona is much in the same way. They told us if we used ANY other method of self defense other than that which was taught to us at the academy, the department would not back us. (not that the department would back any of its staff anyway! ha). But hell, if it came down to it, I'm slapping the crap out of someone with my radio. If something goes down it's game on, and I'm going home at the end of the day.

When I first went to work for AzDOC, all we got were keys, and if we were lucky we got a radio. The radios that we finally got were Motorolas where the battery slid across the bottom to attach. I can tell you there were many a times where the battery became a projectile to break up fights after you called an IMS, or the radio itself became a club. We did what we had to do, then. A couple of years later, we started to get OC spray, and when we we were not using it to spray thugs, we were using to spray toilet seats, toilet paper, and dispersing it underneath the crack of the restroom doors, or spraying it up the control room traps at SMU-I. They took the stuff away a couple of times, but we settled down and got it back.

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Men, you were some innovators!!

[Evil One]

How about a pair of tactical gloves with molded knuckles or lead

[Kebemt]

We had a guy get canned for playing with is cap-stun. He took it and sprayed it in another officers A/C vents in his car.... the officer was driving home and turned on his AC just as he hit the highway and got a face full of spray.... thats the story as i heard it so needles to say we got our asses chewed about use of the stuff and the officer was fired....

[aznative]

Ha!! I can top that. There is a LT down there, back when he was a CO, the LT had him and the SGT go up to the top of one of the cell-blocks at Rynning Unit, graveyards shift. Their mission? To oc all of the pigeons on top of the roof. Pigeons are horrible there in Florence. **** everrywhere. So they get up there with some crowd control cans and start dousing the birds. What happens? The oc gets sucked into the air intake, and they effectively gas over 200 inmates. Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Can youu imagine having to call the Deputy Warden at 0200 and explain the mass evacuation of these inamtes for oc exposure?

[Movementarian]

That is just awesome! I'd hate to have to make that call.