What if an ex-inmate had a gun...

[Craven Moorehead]

Originally Posted by GUNNER

LMAO. Man you like it in Memphis dont you. Ive been there a few times and liiked it myself. I asked the wife the other day if I could add memphis to the list of possible transfer spots. No hesitation, no thought on the subject at all, she said "hell no". So im saying "come on, lets at least do a year or two at the place", again, "no way, hell no, its to crazy down there"...Ok Craven ,its on you now Brother, email this crazy ass woman and tell her how awesome it is down there. Ill PM the email.

Yeah, I DO like Memphis. It's not as bad as people think. Almost EVERBODY who leaves Memphis to go to other joints BEG to come back! We had a GS-8 go to Forrest city as a 9 LT. He's been begging to come back AS A 7!!!

There was a GS-8 went to Tuscon. HE cried and cried AND CRIED till they let him come back.....AS A 7!!!! There are MANY others. If Memphis is so bad, why does everyone who leaves want to come back?

[da24tis]

Originally Posted by Movementarian

Acting off duty, when you have the authority to do so, is unwise in most situations. Trying to act in this manner as a private citizen is always unwise, regardless of the law.

If you are somewhere with your family, your first and only thought should be to get your family out of that situation. Pack you junk up and get the hell away.

The best advice for anyone, regardless of your off-duty authority, is to be a good witness. Call the police and give them a description.

Get on your CB. What the hell are you doing camping without a reliable means of communication?

You can defend yourself within State laws. Some States have what is called a "duty to retreat", which means you must make every attempt to get out of the situation before resorting to deadly force. Know the laws of the State that you carry in.

These are outstanding points, and for most these are practical. But in Alaska a cb radio will get you maybe 3-4 miles. The terrain is mostly hills or mountains. Cell phone signals are crap outside the few cities we get service. Even a Satellite phone isn't very practical or reliable here. Many Alaskans will travel up to 400 miles away from civilization to fish or hunt or just get as far from work as possible. Most of us get find it very pleasant to be away from it all (especially since you can't be called into work), and if you never had this opportunity I recommend it I've never had pride get in my way when there's danger to my family, retreat would be a priority. But again, in Alaska it is very common for little ones (I'm talking older then 9) to be running around enjoying the beautiful land.

Damn!! I got myself all excited It's near summer in Alaska and funs around the corner!!!

[Craven Moorehead]

Originally Posted by da24tis

These are outstanding points, and for most these are practical. But in Alaska a cb radio will get you maybe 3-4 miles. The terrain is mostly hills or mountains. Cell phone signals are crap outside the few cities we get service. Even a Satellite phone isn't very practical or reliable here. Many Alaskans will travel up to 400 miles away from civilization to fish or hunt or just get as far from work as possible. Most of us get find it very pleasant to be away from it all (especially since you can't be called into work), and if you never had this opportunity I recommend it I've never had pride get in my way when there's danger to my family, retreat would be a priority. But again, in Alaska it is very common for little ones (I'm talking older then 9) to be running around enjoying the beautiful land.

Damn!! I got myself all excited It's near summer in Alaska and funs around the corner!!!

Man! That sounds nice. I hear it's breathtaking up there.

The BOP needs to put a 2nd ADX in Alaska! I'd be on the first thing smokin!

[da24tis]

Originally Posted by Craven Moorehead

Man! That sounds nice. I hear it's breathtaking up there.

The BOP needs to put a 2nd ADX in Alaska! I'd be on the first thing smokin!

Yeah, the summers make it worth it to live through 8 months of extremely cold, dark, snow and ice. Although if your into snow sports then winters aren't too bad either.

[ATW-Hack]

Originally Posted by Craven Moorehead

Man! That sounds nice. I hear it's breathtaking up there.

The BOP needs to put a 2nd ADX in Alaska! I'd be on the first thing smokin!

Hell Yea!! I second that I have been saying that we need a USP up there for a couple of years, count me in

On the subject at hand...I'd draw down on him and give him a few seconds to decide weather he wanted to live or die. If he went for it I would put a hole in him without a second thought...Not saying I would do it...BUT if the gun wound up in his hand before the cops show up that's not a bad thing

[Custodian]

Originally Posted by GUNNER

Possibly, I think that would depend on the state laws. One could attempt to make a citizens arrest.

Citizen's arrest? No such thing in North Carolina. And you know what? There shouldn't be. Arresting someone is essentially relieving them of their rights and can get you into some dicey legal action. The common citizen usually has no idea what's involved and what they can and cannot do in such situations.
No sir, I'm not for it.
However, this is reason #2 or 3 why all C/Os should be law enforcement.

[Custodian]

Originally Posted by TierScrew

If I'm with my family and see some Ahole with a gun and I think he's coming at me arresting him or what my powers are are the last things on my mind. My gun would be in his face with orders to drop his and get on the ground. If he didnt, well, its gonna be messy. If he did then I would probably call the police, I'm a deputy sheriff with arrest powers but I'm not a cop. So id let the cops make the arrest.

Sorry admin for the double post on this one but I have to ask...

Okay, let's recap. Your a Deputy Sheriff, with arrest powers, but your not a cop.
HUH?! Okay I know Deputies don't refer to themselves as the Police, but...

In NC. Both Police Officers and Deputy Sheriffs (as well as the State Troopers and Alcohol Law Enforcement not to mention the only real State Police we have by mandate, the Park Rangers) must pass Basic Law Enforcement Training (BLET). One just has more jurisdiction (Sheriff) and works for a county and the other works for a city. The Sheriffs manage all the jails/detention centers. Cops are city hired and ultimately held responsible by a Chief. Sheriffs are elected and his deputies work at their discretion. But both have the same arrest powers, but the Deputy Sheriffs have more to do than the city cops.

I'm trying to understand what you said because in NC, a Deputy Sheriff is the law and even more so than the city Police Officer. And in my experience, they are the true Law Enforcement (Constitutionally mandated to boot, second only to United States Marshals IMHO) and are the consummate professionals in comparison to Police Officers.

I see myself as a future Detention Officer before I try to make the jump to BOP, just to get some more experience in detention/correction. Hmm...

[tcurtis76]

Originally Posted by Craven Moorehead

Yeah, I DO like Memphis. It's not as bad as people think. Almost EVERBODY who leaves Memphis to go to other joints BEG to come back! We had a GS-8 go to Forrest city as a 9 LT. He's been begging to come back AS A 7!!!

There was a GS-8 went to Tuscon. HE cried and cried AND CRIED till they let him come back.....AS A 7!!!! There are MANY others. If Memphis is so bad, why does everyone who leaves want to come back?

hey you talking bout E? i think there is more to the story than just him wanting to come back he drives over 100 miles a day one way to get here but i do hear Memphis is a good unit i might try to get there myself one day i live over that way

[Gaoler]

Originally Posted by Custodian

Sorry admin for the double post on this one but I have to ask...

Okay, let's recap. Your a Deputy Sheriff, with arrest powers, but your not a cop.
HUH?! Okay I know Deputies don't refer to themselves as the Police, but...

In NC. Both Police Officers and Deputy Sheriffs (as well as the State Troopers and Alcohol Law Enforcement not to mention the only real State Police we have by mandate, the Park Rangers) must pass Basic Law Enforcement Training (BLET). One just has more jurisdiction (Sheriff) and works for a county and the other works for a city. The Sheriffs manage all the jails/detention centers. Cops are city hired and ultimately held responsible by a Chief. Sheriffs are elected and his deputies work at their discretion. But both have the same arrest powers, but the Deputy Sheriffs have more to do than the city cops.

I'm trying to understand what you said because in NC, a Deputy Sheriff is the law and even more so than the city Police Officer. And in my experience, they are the true Law Enforcement (Constitutionally mandated to boot, second only to United States Marshals IMHO) and are the consummate professionals in comparison to Police Officers.

I see myself as a future Detention Officer before I try to make the jump to BOP, just to get some more experience in detention/correction. Hmm...

It depends big time on the area as to what Deputy Sheriff's do. When I was in VA there were counties where the Deputy's were the law, then there were counties where the Deputy's only did court duties. Here in VT, the county my jail is in, the Deputy's pretty much do transports to/from jail /court. They do traffic occasionally, but mostly transports. Go to any of the counties bordering it and you'll find that the Deputy's are the law.

Once again, one of those many things that just depends on where you are.

Originally Posted by Custodian

Sorry admin for the double post on this one but I have to ask...

Okay, let's recap. Your a Deputy Sheriff, with arrest powers, but your not a cop.
HUH?! Okay I know Deputies don't refer to themselves as the Police, but...

In NC. Both Police Officers and Deputy Sheriffs (as well as the State Troopers and Alcohol Law Enforcement not to mention the only real State Police we have by mandate, the Park Rangers) must pass Basic Law Enforcement Training (BLET). One just has more jurisdiction (Sheriff) and works for a county and the other works for a city. The Sheriffs manage all the jails/detention centers. Cops are city hired and ultimately held responsible by a Chief. Sheriffs are elected and his deputies work at their discretion. But both have the same arrest powers, but the Deputy Sheriffs have more to do than the city cops.

I'm trying to understand what you said because in NC, a Deputy Sheriff is the law and even more so than the city Police Officer. And in my experience, they are the true Law Enforcement (Constitutionally mandated to boot, second only to United States Marshals IMHO) and are the consummate professionals in comparison to Police Officers.

I see myself as a future Detention Officer before I try to make the jump to BOP, just to get some more experience in detention/correction. Hmm...

Allow me to clear it up for you. Massachusetts is different than any other state, When I go out of state especially down south if I flash my badge I get treated like royalty. but in mass the sheriff's dept is strictly jails and houses of correction. sure we have some guys who are assigned to task forces like local gangs or FBI or ICE but those are guys who kick in big money to the sheriff's campaign. Its all about money, not skill or training. So I am deputized and enjoy all the powers of a deputy sheriff wich are more than a police officer, for instance I can arrest without a warrant, Vagrants, Vagabonds, or Prostitutes. And you better be sure to carry your musket to church on sunday or sheriff TierScrew is coming for you. Really the sheriff and his deputies have arrest power but it derives from very old law and is not the common practice. And if one of us was to make an arrest we would most definetly be scrutinized by the admin and ridiculed by fellow c/os for playing cop.
clear things up??