Federal Bureau of Prisons & LEOSA

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Originally Posted by boatdriver9533

In the Federa Bureau of Prisons and under the legal requirements of LEOSA, US Public Health Service Employees are not covered under LEOSA. PHS Officers may not be utilized for armed posts and are not authorized to shoot the annual qualification course of fire.

PHS is even limited in regard to inmate discipline, (see PS 5270.07). They are not considered qualified law enforcement officers for concealed carry handgun, (see the BOP Director's Memo concerning LEOSA), which means that they must get CCW/CCH permit like anyone else who is not considered qualified law enforcement.

[boatdriver9533]

We have the largest number of PHS officers of any complex in the Bureau of Prisons so this topic gets revisited each year we have firearms qualifications.

[ww1flyingace]

You'd think people who dress like they are in the Navy would be able to shoot thugs. WTF

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Originally Posted by ww1flyingace

You'd think people who dress like they are in the Navy would be able to shoot thugs. WTF

Even in the Army, and I assume the Navy, health care professionals do not carry firearms, (unless the rules have changed). Chaplains also do not carry firearms in the Army nor do they in the Bureau even though they are BOP employees, although in the Army their assistants carry a rifle, not so sure about religious service assistants. The Public Health Health Service has a web site if you want to look them up.

[BikerRN]

Originally Posted by boatdriver9533

In the Federal Bureau of Prisons and under the legal requirements of LEOSA, US Public Health Service Employees are not covered under LEOSA. PHS Officers may not be utilized for armed posts and are not authorized to shoot the annual qualification course of fire.

Very true boatdriver, but not all medical staff are PHS.

I sure as heck ain't PHS and you couldn't pay me enough to wear that crappy uniform. I qualify at ART and can work OT in a Tower if I want. Stay safe and watch your back.

Biker

[Kebemt]

Biker... Did you stay with the BOP??

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Originally Posted by BikerRN

Very true boatdriver, but not all medical staff are PHS.

I sure as heck ain't PHS and you couldn't pay me enough to wear that crappy uniform. I qualify at ART and can work OT in a Tower if I want. Stay safe and watch your back.

Biker

I think about half to three quarters, (not exact), are PHS. We have some staff who are BOP. Yeah, they qualify, and are authorized to carry.

[BikerRN]

Originally Posted by Kebemt

Biker... Did you stay with the BOP??

Yup, I stayed.

Not to "hi-jack" the thread, but I haven't been too impressed with what I've seen from PHS, with a couple of exceptions. I met Kendig, Hardley's Vet, and my arse is still warm from when he blew smoke up it.

Biker

[Sprad1970]

Another issue w/ LEOSA is how many law enforcement agency heads are against the act. Most Federal Wardens are strongly opposed to not having "control" over their officers and their right to carry. And for the most part prosecutors, police and the public are not aware of LEOSA. I was very happy to see the first two LEOSA cases hold up but it seems to me all leosa has accomplished is if you are willing to get arrested, spend the night in jail, hire an attorney, endure a lengthy suspension at work and then have the charges dropped; you can carry concealed. I don't know if these people don't know of LEOSA or if they are just trying to discourage persons LEOSA applies to from carrying? I carry under LEOSA but am seriously considering going ahead and getting my CW permit, just to be on the safe side.

[Nevin67]

Has anyone sued yet for false imprisonment? How about the CO in Hawaii that was arrested? Did he go after anything from the BOP or local PD? If they have to pay off a few large settlements that will help them get things straightened out.