Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004

[Hack]

Originally Posted by Kebemt

You are not covered as you are not an employee of a government agency, get a CCW like everyone ells if you want to carry off duty

Under Kansas law, if he works for the Kansas Department of Corrections, he is covered to carry off duty, (the usual I am not a lawyer disclaimer). However, I would recommend some sort of liability insurance to go with it, as they have had people within their administration, (from what I have understood in the past), who would refuse to back them up. The real test case for this will come in a court of law, by a KDOC officer who takes them to court, or is caught carrying concealed without a CCW/CCH permit.

[Kebemt]

DLA409 is not a State CO he is a private

[Hack]

Originally Posted by Kebemt

DLA409 is not a State CO he is a private

My bad.

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Originally Posted by badboyz107KDOC-WCF

Hey all, I have discussed this with several firearms instructors regarding Kansas and application of LEOSA to CO's. All of them hedge their bets and say they aren't sure if it covers us or not, mostly because they don't want their ass in a wringer for telling you that you can.

Kansas state law clearly defines who can carry a concealed weapon off duty as a "law enforcement officer" the KSA (state statutes) that defines Law enforcement officer clearly says included are Officers employed by the KDOC. I also have called the Kansas Attorney Generals office and talked to a Deputy AG who told me that she did not understand why there was any confusion over the matter since it was very well defined in the KSA's. She was very blunt in her answer, and seemed quite confused as to why anyone would think Kansas CO's can't carry off duty.

Mostly people seem to think that because we have limited powers of arrest in Kansas, that we do not have the right to carry. A lot of people also point out that the KDOC has no policy about off duty carry. Neither did either of the Police departments I worked for. Their policy for off duty carry was that the department highly suggested you carry but was not mandatory. Regardless of department policy or lack of the state laws say we can.

I worked the street for 8 years before leaving, trying a "civvy" job, then coming back to a badge. My opinion on the street was always, If you wear a badge everyday and your not a security guard you should have a gun with you. Here use mine....lol Not all officers are like that here, so to avoid any confusion I have also spent the money for my CCH. I'm covered either way. Between CCH, KSA's, and LEOSA I carry off duty.

None of this keep in mind covers those CO's who you would NEVER want to carry a gun off duty...lol
Just don't mention it around them HA

That has been my understanding of Kansas & federal law since I first researched the issue in 2004.

Kansas has also made it extremely easy for retired LEOs to qualify annually for LEOSA purposes.

See: Kansas

[badboyz107KDOC-WCF]

Originally Posted by Hack

Under Kansas law, if he works for the Kansas Department of Corrections, he is covered to carry off duty, (the usual I am not a lawyer disclaimer). However, I would recommend some sort of liability insurance to go with it, as they have had people within their administration, (from what I have understood in the past), who would refuse to back them up. The real test case for this will come in a court of law, by a KDOC officer who takes them to court, or is caught carrying concealed without a CCW/CCH permit.

Thanks for adding that about the test case...I somehow left that out. You are most likely completely correct about that. I don't have myself any liability insurance yet but need to get that base covered.