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Re: Former Correction Officer Will be Sentenced in June on Drug and Weapons Charges
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Originally Posted by all4114all
Legal, maybe, but he would have been disciplined at a minimum. Our policy does not allow us to have weapons (or alcohol) in our vehicles.
I'll probably get fired someday for having a heavy-duty pair of scissors in my glovebox!
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Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Missouri DOC punishes its employees for doing something to protect themselves that the law allows? Especially in light of the fact that it's perfectly legal for an inmate associate with a permit to have a weapon in a a vehicle parked in a DOC parking lot while visiting an inmate, but employees get fired for the same?
Oh, Probation & Parole Officers and visiting LEOs are also allowed to lock their guns in their trunks according to an e-mail I received from Vici Myers, Director of DOC's Division of Human Services. So, it's absolutely not a security issue. It appears to be a method for keeping staff in fear of thugs and their associates on the street.
Hers are those e-mails:
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Mr. Garrett:
Please provide a phone number so I can call you. I am not understanding your question.
Vicki
573-751-2057
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From: Edgar Garrett [mailto:edgargarrett@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:04 PM
To: Myers, Vicki (Dept. of Corrections)
Subject: Re: Firearms
Thank you for your reply Vickie. I must point out though that your understanding of Missouri law is incorrect. As is demonstrated in the statute cited below, there is a legal exception to the prohibition against private citizens' bringing firearms onto prison grounds. As a practical matter it appears that the Department has determined that the locked trunk of a vehicle is a secure method of storage for firearms while on prison grounds, since Probation & Parole Officers and other select DOC employees are authorized to store weapons in the trunks of their vehicles. My question concerned whether or not there is a policy in place by the Missouri Department of Corrections or other executive authority that prohibits licensed employees from storing a weapon in their vehicle while parked in an institutional parking lot as the law allows other citizens to do.
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Section 571-107 Endorsement does not authorize conceale
571.107. 1. A concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize the person in whose name the permit or endorsement is issued to carry concealed firearms on or about his or her person or vehicle throughout the state. No driver's license or nondriver's license containing a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize any person to carry concealed firearms into:
3) The facility of any adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison or jail. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any adult, juvenile detention, or correctional institution, prison or jail shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
----- Original Message -----
From: Myers, Vicki (Dept. of Corrections)
To: edgargarrett@sbcglobal.net
Cc: Miller, Evette
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Firearms
Greetings,
Are Missouri Department of Corrections employees, who are licensed to carry concealed weapons, prohibited from storing a legally carried weapon in their vehicle while it is in a Missouri prison parking lot?
Thank You!
Mr. Garrett:
Your request was forwarded to me. I am not exactly sure what your question is and will provide two responses.
If the question is concerning a DOC employee who is carrying a weapon because of their job (probation and parole officer, member of the probation and parole fugitive unit, a member of the Central Transfer Unit, etc.), they may keep the weapon locked in the trunk of their car on prison grounds or bring it into the facility and have it locked up according to the institution’s rules. This procedure is found in the Division of Adult Institution’s Institutional Services Procedures Manual – IS20-2-1, Section III.E.3.
If the question is concerning a DOC employee who is licensed to carry a concealed weapon as a private citizen, they would not be able to bring the weapon onto the prison grounds. It is against the law for any ordinary citizen to bring a weapon onto the prison grounds. Law enforcement follows the same rules as the department’s staff that carry weapons because of their job – they can leave the weapon locked in the trunk or bring it into the prison and have it locked up according to the institution’s rules.
Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions
Vicki Myers
573-751-2057
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Mr. Garrett:
Yes, we have a procedure that says that “Personal firearms shall not be taken onto institutional property.” We can talk at your convenience about your concerns.
Vicki Myers
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From: Edgar Garrett [mailto:edgargarrett@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:04 PM
To: Myers, Vicki (Dept. of Corrections)
Subject: Re: Firearms
Thank you for your reply Vickie. I must point out though that your understanding of Missouri law is incorrect. As is demonstrated in the statute cited below, there is a legal exception to the prohibition against private citizens' bringing firearms onto prison grounds. As a practical matter it appears that the Department has determined that the locked trunk of a vehicle is a secure method of storage for firearms while on prison grounds, since Probation & Parole Officers and other select DOC employees are authorized to store weapons in the trunks of their vehicles. My question concerned whether or not there is a policy in place by the Missouri Department of Corrections or other executive authority that prohibits licensed employees from storing a weapon in their vehicle while parked in an institutional parking lot as the law allows other citizens to do.
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Section 571-107 Endorsement does not authorize conceale
571.107. 1. A concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize the person in whose name the permit or endorsement is issued to carry concealed firearms on or about his or her person or vehicle throughout the state. No driver's license or nondriver's license containing a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize any person to carry concealed firearms into:
3) The facility of any adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison or jail. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any adult, juvenile detention, or correctional institution, prison or jail shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
----- Original Message -----
From: Myers, Vicki (Dept. of Corrections)
To: edgargarrett@sbcglobal.net
Cc: Miller, Evette
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Firearms
Greetings,
Are Missouri Department of Corrections employees, who are licensed to carry concealed weapons, prohibited from storing a legally carried weapon in their vehicle while it is in a Missouri prison parking lot?
Thank You!
Mr. Garrett:
Your request was forwarded to me. I am not exactly sure what your question is and will provide two responses.
If the question is concerning a DOC employee who is carrying a weapon because of their job (probation and parole officer, member of the probation and parole fugitive unit, a member of the Central Transfer Unit, etc.), they may keep the weapon locked in the trunk of their car on prison grounds or bring it into the facility and have it locked up according to the institution’s rules. This procedure is found in the Division of Adult Institution’s Institutional Services Procedures Manual – IS20-2-1, Section III.E.3.
If the question is concerning a DOC employee who is licensed to carry a concealed weapon as a private citizen, they would not be able to bring the weapon onto the prison grounds. It is against the law for any ordinary citizen to bring a weapon onto the prison grounds. Law enforcement follows the same rules as the department’s staff that carry weapons because of their job – they can leave the weapon locked in the trunk or bring it into the prison and have it locked up according to the institution’s rules.
Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions
Vicki Myers
573-751-2057
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As you can see, Vici's knowledge of Missouri law was lacking, and apparently she has trouble with the written word and prefers verbal communication.
I suspect that had I actually called her, the conversation would have been recorded and some poor, unsuspecting DOC employee with a Redneck accent would have experienced a vehicle search. |
04-05-2008, 04:15 PM
