And a CONVICTION!

[all4114all]

Former prison worker pleads guilty to sex with inmate
Grill faces sentence of up to four years in prison
By TERESA RESSEL
Daily Journal Staff Writer
Jan 21, 2008 - 11:06:48 CST
FARMINGTON — A former prison laundry supervisor has pleaded guilty to having sex with inmate.

Ruth Grill, 50, of Fredericktown, recently pleaded guilty to a charge of sexual contact with a prisoner. She could be sentenced to up to four years in prison. Her sentencing is scheduled March 14 before Circuit Court Judge Sandy Martinez.

According to court records, while conducting an unrelated investigation, Farmington Correctional Center officials discovered that Grill had sex with an inmate on April 7. At the time she was the laundry supervisor.

Grill was later interviewed by the Farmington Police Department and admitted to having sexual intercourse with the inmate on one occasion.

[all4114all]

Ok, I didn't want to mess up the article with this, but this is the 2nd conviction coming from Farmington (MO) that I am aware of. Both are against women having sex with a male offender. In that, Farmington is a sex offender camp where they go for treatment. Is this a coincidence? Or is Farmington just better at proving allegations? hmmmmm food for thought..........

[Thorn]

I'm thinking that prisons are going to get segregated eventually with all this **** going on. It's becoming a trend now and it's a complete embarrassment to all of Law Enforcement. Prisons may get rough by taking women out of male prisons and men out of womens prisons, but hey, the ones who are really going to suffer are the inmates. At my facility they all smack their lips and make snide remarks about all the female staff that aren't like 300lbs. If a female is 299lbs on down, the inmates are going to make lude comments about her. And some of these women are completely ****ing retarded! They come to work wearing tight ass pants or skirts and high heels! WTF?!?! Are they ****ing crazy or is all the attention of these male predators too much to refuse for them? Plus, a woman in high heels is a ****ing joke, if she is suppose to come running to a B/A! That's an accident just waiting to happen!

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Isn't Farmington where they house the sexual perverts?

[all4114all]

Yes, that is what I was saying. That is where the "sex offender treatment program" is located. Hell of a program, huh? lol

Actually, since I know a little about the layout of Farmington. The first conviction was a secretary in the treatment center at FCC which was completely segregated from the regular institution. This one, I know that no sex offenders are permitted to work in the laundry because of its trappings. Once in, you are locked in with the offenders.

So, in that. Perhaps, these female staff became complacent (and then in love gag) becuase they were not dealing with sex offenders?

I hope Thorn is just on a rant. I wouldn't work with female offenders. They are psycho. (So am I but that is my ace in the hole dealing with male offenders.)

I don't see segregation as an option. It would be like going back to the ice ages of incarceration. Now, better dress codes make sense. High heels, I only wear them to the clubs with my husband. Tight pants - don't wear them, make me ill. Short skirts, match my high heels so guess where I wear them. I do see a lot of inappropriate dress/clothing, however, we don't have much of a dress code so.... I will, however, say, "Hey that looks a little snug." or "XX your shirt is lower cut than usual today." (If it is someone I know well and trust, I will tell them I see cleavage and we laugh about it.)

Don't know what the solution to staff offender involvement is, but perhaps more convictions will help out.

[copboy]

Segregation would be a huge mistake. If you start there what will be next? After that will you tell gay officers that if you are male and gay, you have to work at a female prison only? If you are a lesbian, you can only work at a male prison?

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by copboy

Segregation would be a huge mistake. If you start there what will be next? After that will you tell gay officers that if you are male and gay, you have to work at a female prison only? If you are a lesbian, you can only work at a male prison?

I don't think segregation is such a bad idea actually. Statiscally speaking, how many sexual encounters did staff have with inmates in the 1930s vs. today's prison system? The only reason that prisons went to being non-segregated was because there was a lot more tension, riots, and fights going on in the prison systems back then. So what did the good ole BOP do about it? They caved into the inmates needs and allowed women to work in male prisons and males to work in female prisons.

I've had male inmates tell me not to take their porn from them when I conduct cell sweeps. They tell me that if I continue to take their porn that they are going to have to resort to jerking off to female staff. I tell them I don't want to hear about that since any form of sex, even masterbation if caught, will be grounds for shot. Also, it sounds threatening.

Furthermore, I feel it's almost unfair to male staff in this enviroment to have females mixed in. Females can't perform all the duties required of a male correctional officer in this setting since female staff can't strip out male inmates. It's probably the same way at a female prison where male staff can't perform the same duties as a female correctional officer. Plus, there's the endangerment issue to consider. Females are more likely to get sexually violated in a male prison than males are, just as male staff are more likely to get sexually violated by female inmates in a female prison than female staff are. So why risk this all for the sake of keeping the inmates less tense or strung out? ****'um, they're inmates and they should not have the priviledge of undressing the opposite sex with their eyes.

Now, to address the gay issue you mentioned... I personally don't condone homosexual lifestyles but that's because it goes against my religion and my very strong belief, that in God's eyes, sex should be between a male and a female. However, I don't see any difference between a gay man in uniform and a straight man uniform. They are still both men. Their sexual preference is irrelevant in this enviroment since staff should not be thinking sexually about the inmates whatsoever. They should also not be discussing their sexual preference with the inmates. It's a preference that I don't think they should even discuss with other co-workers. There is no point in bringing up one's sexual preference at work. Period. Therefore, gay men should work in male prisons, and gay women should work in female prisons.

[copboy]

The only problem with the issue is if staff know, inmates will know. However, if a person chooses to come out to his co workers that is a personal decision. Also, sometimes it isn't the officer who tells other staff, but a 3rd party officer who might find out. In that case it can be better to own up to it and prove that they can work as well as any other officer. This also accomplishes breaking the stererotype. You have male officers who brag about their girlfriends and who they scored with. Did you stop to think that also might be something that shouldn't be shared? The bottom line is this....Sex with an inmate is wrong period. The fact that a female can get 4 years, and a male can get more is sad. It is a double standard that should not be found acceptable simply because it is a female. The AUSA should seek the maximum sentence. Why it took so long to make this a felony is beyond me.

[Thorn]

One more thing I'd like to mention about the male/female issue in this system. There are too many male supervisors playing sugar daddy to a lot of their own female subordinates. I've been pulled off my post and replaced by a female that sucks-up to a few of the LT's and gets what she wants whenver she wants. She had SHU D/W that day and I was down at the camp on D/W for once. The next thing I know, she comes down to relieve me and I have to go over the medium and work SHU where she was scheduled to work. I was a bit pissed to say the least!

I'm not the only one who has noticed this from her either. She came in a few months before me as a GS-5, then after getting off probabtion she became a GS-6. Within one month of being a GS-6, those same few LTs that "favor" her tried to give her an early promote to GS-7. That pissed off EVERYONE that was in her IF class with her, since her work performance was no different than any of theirs and she has less credentials on her belt prior to being with the BOP than most of them.

There's a favortism issue going on here and she's been under investigation before for a reported sexual encounter with a male staff member in the employee locker room that someone witnessed. There was not enough proof about the incident (no pictures), so she walked, but I still believe the staff member that claimed that he witnessed it was telling the truth.

Issues like this would be a lot less of a problem if prison systems were segregated.

[GUNNER]

I'm still trying to figure out why a staff member would have anything to do with an inmate. Male or female what the hell are these people thinking.