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[Von Nanega]

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[all4114all]

Originally Posted by copboy

Thorn ever hear of E.A.P?

no kidding.....

Thorn, you certainly have one in your side.

I am insulted that you would speak as if "the weaker sex" is unable to handle themselves in prison. Brute force is not always the answer. Come out of the ice ages. Women now have the right to vote and work and hold jobs and do everything you can do (except pee standing up without making a mess).

If I worked in the same institution with you, I would be frightened to be around you. I imagine you antagonize offenders like you do women. After all, both are second class citizens.

And before you get started, I am by no means hug-a-thug. I believe offenders need to be responsible and accountable. I believe that we can point them in that direction.

As for the perks that the offenders have. You are right. They don't need all that crap. However, it has been explained to me that television and cable and weights and all the other crap that we have to work for, is used as a management tool to control offenders. In GP they can watch TV. In Ad Seg, they can not. Hmmm, makes ad seg sound less fun. TV is a wonderful babysitter and distractor for children, old and young alike.

Wow, sorry, guess I got on a soapbox there. An EXboyfriend of mine used to tell me that women shouldn't work in prisons. I'm a Unit Manager in one and he is gone (both from my life and prison). Guess he was wrong?

[shakedownshorti]

Originally Posted by Thorn

I'm thinking that prisons are going to get segregated eventually with all this **** going on. It's becoming a trend now and it's a complete embarrassment to all of Law Enforcement. Prisons may get rough by taking women out of male prisons and men out of womens prisons, but hey, the ones who are really going to suffer are the inmates. At my facility they all smack their lips and make snide remarks about all the female staff that aren't like 300lbs. If a female is 299lbs on down, the inmates are going to make lude comments about her. And some of these women are completely ****ing retarded! They come to work wearing tight ass pants or skirts and high heels! WTF?!?! Are they ****ing crazy or is all the attention of these male predators too much to refuse for them? Plus, a woman in high heels is a ****ing joke, if she is suppose to come running to a B/A! That's an accident just waiting to happen!

My question to you Thorn is, are you letting these inmates make lude and rude remarks in front of you about these females and not doing anything about it? If not, you are just contributing to the problem! I agree that women working in prisons should not be able to wear, tight clothes, high heels etc. so maybe they should make everyone wear a uniform!!!??? I don't think that anyone looks good in a BOP uniform regardless of how tight they are!

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by all4114all

no kidding.....

Thorn, you certainly have one in your side.

I am insulted that you would speak as if "the weaker sex" is unable to handle themselves in prison. Brute force is not always the answer. Come out of the ice ages. Women now have the right to vote and work and hold jobs and do everything you can do (except pee standing up without making a mess).

If I worked in the same institution with you, I would be frightened to be around you. I imagine you antagonize offenders like you do women. After all, both are second class citizens.

And before you get started, I am by no means hug-a-thug. I believe offenders need to be responsible and accountable. I believe that we can point them in that direction.

As for the perks that the offenders have. You are right. They don't need all that crap. However, it has been explained to me that television and cable and weights and all the other crap that we have to work for, is used as a management tool to control offenders. In GP they can watch TV. In Ad Seg, they can not. Hmmm, makes ad seg sound less fun. TV is a wonderful babysitter and distractor for children, old and young alike.

Wow, sorry, guess I got on a soapbox there. An EXboyfriend of mine used to tell me that women shouldn't work in prisons. I'm a Unit Manager in one and he is gone (both from my life and prison). Guess he was wrong?

ROFLMAO! No, I have not made a sexist remark like what you have described. That was the issue in the 1930s and the reason women didn't work in male prisons back then. Of course that turned out to be a stereotype and we all know that women can handle working in male prisons, so long as they aren't mounting the inmates.

My reasoning is more on the lines of "opposites attract" and that is a scientific fact in most cases, unless the person is gay.

I don't feel women should work in male prisons just the same as I don't feel that men should work in female prisons. It has nothing to do with your comment about women being "2nd class" or "less than equal to men". It has to do with the whole "opposites attracting" issue, and that being a cause for concern with all the females and males getting busted lately working in prisons that house the opposite sex and having sex with them.

A prime example I noted while I was serving in the Navy during my first two years in the service. I served aboard a Frigate during this time, USS Nicholas FFG-47, based out of Portsmouth, VA. I think she's located in Norfolk, VA. today. Anyways, US Navy Frigates are the ony surface warships that are male only. There's not one female serving onboard one today and there never will be. Just like US Navy Submarines, there are no women allowed onboard. The Navy has stated that there isn't enough room onboard vessels such as these to allow women to serve aboard them since they have already been pre-built and designed to accomioate males only.

However, we did allow a few female midshipmen from the Naval Academy to come onboard our ship for a 2 week tour to see if it was possible to one day implement women onboard Frigates and the "test" was a huge dissappointment. Of all 4 midshipmen females that came onboard our ship, all 4 got pregnant during this 2 week "test". 3 of the midshipmen females were pregnated by the same father - an E6 Petty Officer 1st Class. The other midshipmen female was pregnated by the opposite race as herself and her HUSBAND. All 4 were immidiately disenrolled from the Naval Academy and seen as being unfit. All 4 were charged with "Unbecoming of an Officer". All 4 lost their chance to serve in the Navy as an officer and their 4 year education probably amounted to nothing after that.

This is nothing new to the US Navy though as males and females engage in sexual intercourse on larger ships all the time. Ships like Aircraft Carriers, Supply ships, Cruisers, and Destroyers that are much bigger and can accomodate both men and women. So why does this happen? Simple. Males and females are here on Earth to procreate, raise their children and die. Sex is a natural part of the whole process. You can't hold two magnets of opposite force apart - They are naturally going to be pulled together. The US Navy doesn't seem to understand this though and sexual intercourse onboard ships is prohibited. They expect males and females to be able to go months on end out at sea without engaging in what God and nature have sent them here for.

Anyways, I'm done with that rant...

I don't want you thinking that you are less than me or any other male for that matter because of your sex. I actually consider females a step above males in most reguards and envy them as well. God didn't make a more perfect being than women!

Anyways, I'm sorry if you have taken any of my post as being sexist. I just don't think that in the enviroment that we work in that males and females can always be trusted to act "professionally" and obviously this has been proven time and time again lately.

The only proven way to keep opposites from uniting in close tight quarter enviroments like ships and prisons is to keep opposites completely apart.

And though many may feel that segregation of prison staff may never happen, I say don't be so sure. After all, in the BOP anyways, higher level management have shown that they don't trust staff at all and are already requiring staff searches for illegal contraband. This is to prevent weapons and drugs from getting into the institutions. Yet, so long as males and females engage in sexual intercourse with inmates, the next thing to go will be the opposite sex of the inmates.

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by shakedownshorti

My question to you Thorn is, are you letting these inmates make lude and rude remarks in front of you about these females and not doing anything about it? If not, you are just contributing to the problem! I agree that women working in prisons should not be able to wear, tight clothes, high heels etc. so maybe they should make everyone wear a uniform!!!??? I don't think that anyone looks good in a BOP uniform regardless of how tight they are!

I don't let the inmates do anything. I even take their porno from them. I'd rather them **** each other than to get the satisfaction of wacking off to a naked lady in a magazine.

Inmates are inmates and they are going to be lude about the female staff whether they open their mouths or not. It's not hard to see them undressing female staff with their eyes. When they do say something about a female staff member, I usually give them one warning and then if they continue I call LT. and see if he wants to have another one locked up for the night.

Usually they're out of SHU within 24 hours for it and still they're going to be lude about female staff members in the future regardless. They are male predators and inmates after all. Women just look like a bunch of Happy Meals on legs to them.

[shakedownshorti]

Originally Posted by Thorn

I don't let the inmates do anything. I even take their porno from them. I'd rather them **** each other than to get the satisfaction of wacking off to a naked lady in a magazine.

Inmates are inmates and they are going to be lude about the female staff whether they open their mouths or not. It's not hard to see them undressing female staff with their eyes. When they do say something about a female staff member, I usually give them one warning and then if they continue I call LT. and see if he wants to have another one locked up for the night.

Usually they're out of SHU within 24 hours for it and still they're going to be lude about female staff members in the future regardless. They are male predators and inmates after all. Women just look like a bunch of Happy Meals on legs to them.

Good, I am glad that you do that....I saw some officers who didn't care, some even thought it was funny, some inmates thought it was funny too, but when I went in and thrashed their houses, it wasn't so funny then! Unfortunately some Lt's will lock them up and some won't, but to me what is better than packing an inmates property??!! Tort claim, who cares!!

[KBCraig]

Originally Posted by Thorn

A prime example I noted while I was serving in the Navy during my first two years in the service. ...
However, we did allow a few female midshipmen from the Naval Academy ... and her HUSBAND.

A married USNA midshipman? Just being married is grounds to boot her out of the Academy. Midshipmen are not allowed to be married, nor to support a family.

When was this? In 1995, USNA changed their policy on pregnancy: midshipmen who become pregnant may take a one year leave of absence, and return if they have given up custody.

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by KBCraig

A married USNA midshipman? Just being married is grounds to boot her out of the Academy. Midshipmen are not allowed to be married, nor to support a family.

When was this? In 1995, USNA changed their policy on pregnancy: midshipmen who become pregnant may take a one year leave of absence, and return if they have given up custody.

She had eloped during her senior year and prior to coming to the ship for the cruise. This is why I wrote HUSBAND all in uppercase. Apparently she slipped through the cracks or she and hubby kept it very quiet.

Anyways, the ladies weren't kicked out for having sex or even having sex with enlisted sailors for that matter. They were still considered students and were not officers over or in charge of the men involved so that didn't matter to the USN. What DID matter was that sexual intercourse was committed onboard a warship while out to sea during a "deployment" period. Whenever a USN ship leaves its home port, it is considered, 'deployed". Having sex during this period is prohibited and against USN Regs and the UCMJ.

There were 12 men involved and all were given an OTH discharge for having sexual intercourse with the females, and all 4 women were kicked out of school for it as well. Apparently the USNA found them to be unfit and kicked them out on "Unbecoming of a USN officer". Apparently the USNA doesn't condone in it's students breaking USN regs and UCMJ laws either. Especially in their senior year!

Only 1 enlisted sailor pregnated 3 of the females and 1 female got pregnant from another enlisted guy that wasn't of her same race. Although, I heard from one of my friends that did witness it, that all 12 men were sexually engaged in these 4 women all at the same time in a wild group orgy! The ones who watched didn't get into any trouble since they just watched. A few of them confessed to watching it but also ratted out all 12 of the ones engaged in the sexual intercourse. I wasn't there at the time so I wasn't able to watch or see it for myself, I was too friggin busy washing pots and pans for my 90 days mess cranking tour of helping the food service guys in the galley! Damn IT!

12 guys on 4 girls! - Now that IS a lot of seaman! (pun intended )

[KBCraig]

Just curious, Thorn, but why does the race of the participants matter so much to you?

[all4114all]

Originally Posted by Thorn

Although, I heard from one of my friends that did witness it, that all 12 men were sexually engaged in these 4 women all at the same time in a wild group orgy! The ones who watched didn't get into any trouble since they just watched. A few of them confessed to watching it but also ratted out all 12 of the ones engaged in the sexual intercourse. I wasn't there at the time so I wasn't able to watch or see it for myself, I was too friggin busy washing pots and pans for my 90 days mess cranking tour of helping the food service guys in the galley! Damn IT!

12 guys on 4 girls! - Now that IS a lot of seaman! (pun intended )

so where can i rent that movie? roflmao