Refusal of Official Time

[bop_steward]

Originally Posted by Tommy

In Edgefield, I recently filed a Grievance, and preparing for Arbitiration.
I considered it Union Interferance by denying official time. Union Officers
can't do what their tasked to by law, because of the denials. I disagree about the ULP, you won't win a ULP, but in Arbitration 50-50 chance.

Absolutely! A grievance/arbitration is much better than a ULP in this situation. The panzy a$s FLRA will rule against you in the ULP, and I would say you have a 90/10 chance in arbitration. Just make sure you have all of your documents in order and file timely, which in this case, given it is a back pay issue, would be 2 years from the date of violation. There is so much case law, arbitration rulings and even FLRA decisions supporting this type of claim. It is silly that the agency is still blocking official time.

[bop_steward]

Originally Posted by LIFERatUSPLEW

We're in this battle now for LMR meetings. They refuse to roster adjust for anyone on E/w or M/W to attend LMR meetings. I'm a new steward any help?

Stop going to LMR meetings! If they are not going to allow the union to participate in them, then quit going. They have a report card to turn in to the RD about LMR. When there is not LMR, the RD will wonder why. Have your president draft a letter to the RD explaining that the agency is not allowing you to attend LMR. Also have them do a memo to the LMR chair stating that the union is ceasing LMR discussions/meetings due to the agency's refusal to allow the union to fully participate.

[LIFERatUSPLEW]

Originally Posted by bop_steward

Stop going to LMR meetings! If they are not going to allow the union to participate in them, then quit going. They have a report card to turn in to the RD about LMR. When there is not LMR, the RD will wonder why. Have your president draft a letter to the RD explaining that the agency is not allowing you to attend LMR. Also have them do a memo to the LMR chair stating that the union is ceasing LMR discussions/meetings due to the agency's refusal to allow the union to fully participate.

So whats better? Go to meetings, file a greivance and hope to get paid, or refuse to go to meetings and hope the RD even gives a s***. I really doubt they would even care would they?(I'm asking)

[bop_steward]

Originally Posted by LIFERatUSPLEW

So whats better? Go to meetings, file a greivance and hope to get paid, or refuse to go to meetings and hope the RD even gives a s***. I really doubt they would even care would they?(I'm asking)

Nothing looks better when you take a case of refusal to approve official time, when you can show that it has gotten so bad that lmr has been suspended until the matter can be resolved. Lappin and the RD's live by LMR, you know the KGB, let's talk about our problems kind of sh*t. All I know is when we suspended it one time, the RD was on the phone wondering shy we did nto have LMR that past month. Coincidently, it was over refusal of official time to attend lmr, go figure.

[ya right]

Originally Posted by Tinkplink

I am kinda of curious, which would be priorty, the security and safe running of the institution or giving official time for the union? I am not for or against either way, I was just curious as to everyones perspective on this issue.

When are union officials are on official time they are fighting our saftey and security. It is simple if managment does the right thing by line staff we use less official time. If managment wants to be **** head we use more.

[HACKINIT]

I would ask if the official time being refused is in the department or coming from the Warden? If its in department, I would at least give the Warden a chance to resolve it. An idea for your requests, quote article 11 of the Master Agreement also and like someone else said, notify your Regional VP, so they can address it at their level.

[GS8]

Originally Posted by Crosstimbers Okie

Definitely keep the warden in the loop. Legally, the warden is responsible. And if the warden is always kept informed, the warden cant later claim not to know.

Groupwise is a wonderful tool.

Their warden could be like D. Smith " I wasn't aware of that".

[ATW_DM1242]

Originally Posted by GS8

Their warden could be like D. Smith " I wasn't aware of that".

Thank god he's gone, now let's see what Rios is made of.